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Room For Both

Nov 15, 2018

Friends- the day is here. We’re finally digging into the ever-elusive Enneagram. In this episode, Nic, Mere, and special guest (Nic’s mom, Barbara) discuss all things Enneagram. Throughout this conversation, we use learnings from the book The Wisdom of the Enneagram. It was written by two Enneagram experts, Don Riso and Russ Hudson, which you will hear referenced throughout the podcast. We think you’ll love this conversation and hope it inspires you to do more work with this sacred personality typing system. It is seriously game changing.

We think you’ll love this conversation and hope it inspires you to do more work with this sacred personality typing system. As a quick FYI, this is a two part series, so be sure to join us again for Part 2 in a couple of weeks.



The references Nicole makes throughout the episode (as she describes the different types) comes from the book The Wisdom of the Enneagram by two Enneagram experts, Don Riso and Russ Hudson. Riso and Hudson are founders of the Enneagram Institute, and their website provides a test where you can learn your Enneagram type. Ian Cron also provides a (free) test on his website. You’ve heard us reference his podcast, Typology, in previous episodes, and if you haven’t checked it out yet, we highly recommend it! His book The Road Back To You and his podcast are great starting points for learning about this ancient tradition. This episode is one of our favorites.

Mere also references Jen Hatmaker’s podcast episode she did with Chris Heuertz, author of The Sacred Enneagram and another Enneagram expert (who has been a disciple of folks like Mother Teresa and Richard Rohr). This is another resource if you would like to learn more about the Enneagram. Mere is also in the middle of his book and, though it can be a bit heady, it also has a contemplative, spiritual depth that is appreciated.

Last Enneagram resource we’ll remind you of before we get to the two fun things mentioned in our Shoot The Breeze episode: The Liturgist Podcast episode with Ian Cron and Susan Stabile discussing the Enneagram is arguably the BEST starting point to learn. We’ve linked this particular episode many other times in our show notes because truly, we cannot say enough about it. It’s definitely time to check it out if you haven’t already!

And finally, the two fun things referenced in the beginning of the show: The Giving Keys and the Digital Gene App. Yes, purchasing a Giving Key will cost you $40. AND. You are employing folks transitioning out of homelessness AND purchasing a word that speaks to you; a word out of which you can live for as long as you need before you pass it along to someone who needs it next. You might remember Nicole passing Meredith her “Courage” key in Episode 7 before Meredith shared her Deconstruction story. You can learn more about this fabulous company here.

The second fun mention is the Digital Gene World Map Puzzle that is like the nerd’s version of Bedazzled Jewels- or whatever that game was. It’s like a matching game but for countries all over the world. And there are levels! This actually sounds right up my (Mere’s) ally- I once knew all of the capitals in the world thanks to my 7th grade Geography teacher, Dr. O’Brien. Thanks, Nic, for getting us all addicted to this app!

Ok, friends, that’s it from us. As always, thanks for listening, and do feel free to connect with us on Instagram or by shooting an email to!

-Nic & Mere

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